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John Hartley – Page 2 – John Hartley

Somethings for you to consider in respect to Einstein’s two relativity theories

An informational search-and-find task for adventurous physics thinkers

Note: I reviewed this post in April 2025. I still broadly agree with what I have written. However, in my readers interest I suggest that you look at this latest post relating to this subject. There is a small degree of overlap.

You will need to do most of the heavy lifting with respect to the information that I am providing for you today. I am merely providing you with scientific clues for you to ponder about and draw your own conclusions.

  1. I ask you to consider this question. Was the 1887 Michelson and Morley (M and M) ether experiment a null result or not? Conservative physicists say it was, and more open-minded (liberal thinking) physicists say it was not. These latter scientists say the results were inconclusive. Entrenched attitudes by both sides of this physics argument divide remain unto this day. There is extensive material to be found on line. This is if you care to follow the happenings relating to this debate from 1920 onwards. Keep in mind that the merits or otherwise of Einstein’s Special Relativity theory at that time hinged upon whether the M and M results were null or not!
  1. Also consider this. In 1926, and for a period of around three years the highly acclaimed American physicists Dayton Miller demonstrated that it was likely that the original Michelson and Morley experimental results were not null. He showed from extensive measuring methods over the period, and with more sophisticated measuring equipment that M and M had in 1887, that the earth was moving through ‘something’. This might be likened to the ether that M and M were looking for in 1887. However, Miller’s new results were dismissed by his peers. This is because they allegedly found flaws in his conclusions. The reason for this is Miller could not fully explain what was happening for him to record the types of results that he did. There is extensive on line material about this debate.
  1. I believe that the following contemporary physics results also need to be considered by you with respect to the possible existence of some type of ether in the universe or not. In contemporary times it has been scientifically demonstrated that the earth is moving through ‘something’ at the rate of 502 k/ms per second. Random Event Generator devices have measured this speed of travel of the earth. These findings have been confirmed by other means as well such as those devised by Cahill and his associates. Importantly, these contemporary readings confirm those earlier determined by Dayton Miller. This is as discussed above. For example see the paper ‘Perth-Muenster REG-REG Correlations: Remarkable New Evidence for Dynamical Space’ presented by Morris and the associated mathematical results therefrom entitled ‘Estimating 3-Space Velocity from REG-REG Correlations’ also posted by Morris. Both of these informational results were determined by means of the cited international Random Event Generator devices.
  1. I feel that you should also consider the little known physics lecture delivered by Einstein in Berlin in 1920 entitled Ether and the Theory of Relativity with respect to the existence of ‘something’ in space that Einstein refers to as ‘ether’. If you read this paper you will note that Einstein says that without an ether theory his theory of General Relativity would not work (especially see the last summarising paragraph). Einstein also said on two subsequent occasions later in his career that:-

Quotes:

(both from the same source)

A. “..My opinion about Miller’s experiments is the following. … Should the positive result be confirmed, then the special theory of relativity and with it the general theory of relativity, in its current form, would be invalid. Experimentum summus judex. Only the equivalence of inertia and gravitation would remain, however, they would have to lead to a significantly different theory. — Albert Einstein, in a letter to Edwin E. Slosson, July 1925”

B. “I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the Miller experiments are based on a fundamental error (they weren’t). Otherwise, the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards.” — Albert Einstein, in a letter to Robert Millikan, June 1921 (in Clark 1971, p.328)” ((I italicised)

If this is the case then perhaps we should consider if ether must be a key component of Einstein’s General Relativity model. If so, then why does Einstein’s Special Relativity theory depend on there being no ether for it to work? Can the universe have both some sort of ether and no ether at the same time? Do you think that there might be some form of contradiction of Einstein theories here? I suggest not. This is if both theories are “embraced” within a separate cosmic continuum. This is outlined in the Infinite Potential theory.

I hope that my few words today might contribute towards you further developing your own ideas about how “things” might come together and work in the manner that they do. This is in the wider universe around us. As I have suggested, it is important for you to know that both of Einstein’s relativity theories are NOT wrong! They are incomplete. I understand from my readings that a (dynamic) common ether like reference frame between both of Einstein’s Special and General Relativity models would ‘fix’ the alleged physics dilemma that I have asked you to consider.

You will find my position in this link and this link.

Good hunting!

Remarkable evidence that universal entanglement theory in physics is real (all things in it are somehow connected to each other)

Why recent physics experiments with respect to non-locality (entanglement) are likely to change the nature and style of scientific research forever

These two experiments demonstrate that all “things” in the universe act in a coordinated way even though no force passes through the space between them. These words strongly imply that the universe is aware of itself and furthermore the conditions at the time of the Big Bang were without time and non-local as well.

Link to the story

Is the earth moving through a fluid like ether. Has this been considered by some physicists for centuries?

I believe that it is. A statement with respect to the 1887 Michelson and Morley Ether experiment seem to support these words. It remains a universally contentious debate to this day.

I believe that you will find that the information contained in the following document is challenging. It questions certain contemporary physics beliefs. As a layperson I have conducted a great deal of research in respect to this topic. As you would expect I have critics.

I had a cursory re-look at this post in May 2025. With the benefit of hindsight I would not write such a document in the manner that I have. However, I feel that my readers should seriously look at information relating to Dayton Miller. Also see my latest post relating to this subject.

The document

A quick look at our universe and what might be the natural order of things within it.

I mostly discuss this topic in relation to clock time and what the natural order of the universe might be in relationship to entropy physics theory

All ‘things’ and associated events in the universe are subject to the process of change. Material things and events both change and decay. In both instances they change without time, because clocks change and decay too. * Thoughts, patterns of thoughts, intuition and alleged clairvoyance are everyday examples of phenomena without time. Protons in light have no rest energy (mass) and so they can also be seen to be without time (travel for ever) unless they somehow interact with ‘something’ along the way.

These words imply that all change and decay of things and events (all objects and associated influences and effects such as cutting and slicing an apple) in the universe are somehow related to some type of ‘hidden’ laws within it. By this I mean that the universe does have predictable ‘order’ within it and this is despite that all things and events are interacting with each other in ever-differing averages, densities and ratios with each other. This is in respect to not only each other but also the universe itself as a single reference frame. I suggest by this that the biggest objects (like Galaxies) and ‘bundles’ of various energy types in the universe seem to mostly get along quite well with the smallest objects in the universe such as quantum particles.

Because clocks are perpetually changing and decaying too this means that these differing averages, densities and ratios cannot be accurately observed or measured by an observer. This includes attempting to measure the speed of light with such clocks because of the process of change and decay with them as well. This is an implicit (mysterious) observable scientific paradox in science. This scientific paradox is further complicated (reduced to being chaotic) by the ever-changing condition of the universe wherein energy types and their associated, influences and effects are forever changing as well. It also should be kept in mind with these universal changes that observers similarly change and decay within the reference frame (system) of the universe too. These words then question as to how accurate can a changing and decaying observer, employing a changing and decaying clock accurately observe and measure changing and decaying things and events in the universe. I suggest that the best they can do so is to randomly do so as best they can.

I see this difficulty as being a significant failing in contemporary scientific research and discovery

In other words there appears to be no reliable mechanical mechanism that can indefinitely measure the process of decay and change of things and events in the universe unless the universe has a determinable (by clocks) some sort of end time. Unless scientists can determine a specific end time (a time reference frame) for the universe then this seems to raise a difficult question. which is:- what type of reference frame are all things and events in the universe changing and decaying in relationship to except to each other? You cannot successfully observe, analyze and count a two hundred-liter sealed barrel containing hundreds of different types and colors of small swimming fish let alone with no barrel at all.

Furthermore if a single proton is capable of traveling forever (unless it ‘hits’ something in its journey) then this suggests to me that the universe might simply be a without time, non-materialistic, nothing reference frame. In other words I am implying that nothing except perhaps an indeterminable (like the hidden rules of nature) stochastic** neural network type of ‘nothing’ reference frame that we could never observe and measure in the first place. This is although it might be mathematically demonstrated to be otherwise.

Could this nothing, however, be aware of itself as well as all things and events taking place within itself in this course of events in this process and does not need mechanical devices such as clocks in order to do so? I believe that this is the case.

*This notion of decay/change can be mathematically demonstrated by means of employing entropy theory in physics. Entropy theory in science explains Quote: “… the lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder…”) Source

** Quote: “…Having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analyzed statistically but may not be predicted precisely…” (ex Wikipedia).

John Raymond
10th April 2019

Egg matters from an observer’s point of view

Different ways of thinking about ourselves and the inner selves of others

The egg diagram is an illustrative metaphor relating to how we may better understand the informational relationship we have with ourselves and each other. This includes our relationship with all “things” and events, influences, and effects occurring outside our symbolic egg shell. This includes unknowable influences and effects from the wider universe that scientists are yet to discover.

Link to illustration

By employing this type of symbolism I have shown how different observers [people] may observe us in relation to our symbolic shell, white and yolk in the diagram. For example: Observer number four observes the egg as being like a cold lifeless [mechanical] entity only. This observer makes assumptions or arbitrary guesses as to the workings of the complete system and processes of the observed person within such as shell.

However, in contrast to this example, observer number one only observes the highest and most favourable qualities relating to the person being observed, as they observe the implicit nature of the egg yolk. He/she observes beyond the shell to the inner components of the egg that are its white and yolk. Observer number four does not do this.

Observer number two would only observe the rational and logical things about a person [their explicit selves] as being significant and of interest, and takes no notice of their implicit yolk.

Observer number three observes all things with respect to the egg [the person]. This observer sees the outside “skin” of the shell, the shell structure itself, the under layer of the shell [like a film surface] and the white and yolk of the egg simultaneously. In other words observer number three observes the complete person in every respect.

How Bohm’s Infinite Potential model might be shown to work

This is from a combined philosophical and physics perspective

Prologue

My message today is primarily centered upon understanding reality. This is through the intuition, skill and bravery of one man. The physicist’s name is David Bohm. Bohm is a British physicist that died in 1992.

I am a Bohm devotee. I refer to myself as being a Divergence Theorist. This means me thinking and writing about a given subject from a number of different approaches.

In these respects the three links that follow are provided for you to consider. They all incorporate themes of “combined” temporal and ontological lines of cosmological thinking. They all feed back to Bohm’s views about “cosmological reality” and the meaning of life. This is as they relate to his views about his Infinite Potential theory. My ideas are broadly similar to Bohm’s but with the emphasis on philosophy.

The three links:

1) The Life and Times of David Bohm

2) A short video trailer about David Bohm and his famous theory of the “Infinite-Potential”

3) Behind the scenes of the film

The contents of these might give you a reasonable idea as to what follows.

The manner in which the” Infinite-Potential” might be seen to “influence all things” in the universe.

I cite three examples. These are ones that I have conceptualized, worked with and previously posted.

These examples and the two supplements provide leads and ideas as to how I believe temporal and ontological things and systems might “work” within the wider world around us (our reality).

It can be shown that we do not live in isolated systems

Is this a sound manner in which to understand the mind and brain nexus?

Going backwards in time before your eyes

Supplement to the above, number 1

Illustratively demonstrating what might be the existence of the “Infinite Potential”

This is from a two dimensional perspective that follows. The illustration is demonstrated and supported by text further below.

A) The Planck line separates quantum (temporal) from sub-quantum (ontological) phenomena. It represents the smallest informational phenomena that physicists can observe, measure, anticipate and “adequately” describe. Mass-less fundamental particles exist in this area. One such example is an electron..

B) Below the Planck line is where Quantum Mechanics theory steps in (all the weird things that are known to happen in physics such as that all things and events are somehow connected to each other. Furthermore it acts as though the Universe has its own consciousness and can think). It is information immediately around the Planck Line that I conceptualize as being the two dimensional “zone” of the “Infinite Potential”. This is neither firmly ontological or temporal. This is represented by our whole of life experiences. This includes being alive.

C) The dotted lines below Quantum Mechanics (B as illustrated above) are representational of things and events that are more weird than other things happening in the universe (as represented by Quantum Mechanics). This lower level physics is the deepest level of physics and is sometimes referred to by Physicists as being informational physics. Human consciousness, intuition and the rules of nature might be seen as examples of phenomena at this level.

D) Above the Planck line (A) is the quantum levels of physics (temporal) where things and events can be observed and measured. These levels embrace materialist (meaning observable and testable) objects and movement. For example these include various effects of movement as described in Einstein’s relativity theories.

E) E in the illustration symbolizes all that “IS” in the universe. It also symbolizes how things might “fit” in relationship to it. I will explain this in the following paragraphs:

Connections in physics is known as entanglement theory. Entanglement theory is also linked to the concept of universal non-locality (something like a universal “without time” ether in the universe).

Quantum theory includes phenomena entitled non-locality (entanglement theory). Non-locality embraces and influences and effects all things and events in both the quantum (D level in the above diagram) as well as those at the B and C levels in the same diagram. (The C level might be considered to be the “home” of non-locality).

The “home” of non-locality might also be seen as the home of Bohm’s “Infinite-Potential”. This was broadly discussed in section B above.

From a temporal perspective non-locality can be demonstrated via the famous double slit experiment in physics. Conversely the laminar flow experiment demonstrates the temporal nature (“the wider practical”) world around us of reality. The following quotation relating to entropy further illustrates how this relationship might work in the manner that it does. It is complicated to understand. I do not fully understand it either.

Quote:

“The second law of thermodynamics which ultimately states that the entropy (lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder) of the universe is always increasing. That means that in any process that takes place the end result is that the entropy of the universe increases (like through the ontological laws of nature). In fact a better definition of what entropy is not just that it’s disorder but a better idea of what entropy is the amount of energy that cannot be converted back into work (like subtle influences such as consciousness). So basically as entropy increases the availability of energy to do (temporal) work decreases.”

Source of quote from transcript

Supplement to the above, number 2

In considering these points you might care to know what Einstein feels about religiosity. You might agree that they seem to concur with Bohm’s ideas. This is pertinent to his Infinite Potential theory.

Quote:

“The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity. In this sense, and only this sense, I am a deeply religious man… I am satisfied with the mystery of life’s eternity and with a knowledge, a sense, of the marvelous structure of existence — as well as the humble attempt to understand even a tiny portion of the Reason that manifests itself in nature.”

(Albert Einstein)

Einstein seems to be saying that in order to “practically” introduce his sense of religiosity one should consider:

Quote:

My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds…”. [I suggest that this is in order for us to attain a greater appreciation of the ontological and temporal features of the wider universe (reality). I also say Bohm’s Infinite Potential].

Within the contemporary international physics community there seems to becoming the realization that there are difficulties with the mostly accepted Standard Model of Physics. This is as demonstrated by links one and two (Nature Magazine and Oxford University respectively).

If this proves to be the case this might raise the question as to whether Bohm’s Infinite Potential theory might “fill” this type of “mysterious” gap. This includes its origins, intent and meaning.

I have ideas about this area of debate. This is my philosophical position:

The Awareness Model of Cosmological Reality1

1] At its deepest level, reality consists of awareness and everything that we can perceive and observe consists of patterns of information in that awareness.

2] In the beginning, the awareness may have contained no patterns of information, but if so, we can suppose it had a capacity to create random patterns.

3] As random patterns were created, a proportion would have had structures that would allow them to be linked into more complex patterns. We can suppose that the awareness allowed this to occur and that complex patterns could better persist than the simpler ones.

4] Then over time patterns could emerge and evolve of increasing complexity.

5] We suppose this eventually led to a set of patterns with the right features to produce the universe in which we find ourselves. Eg. replication of patterns responsible for creating 3 dimensional space could produce the phenomenon of a universe expanding from a big bang.

6] We cannot perceive or observe anything outside our universe, however if physical objects consist of patterns of information within a deeper level of awareness, then that awareness might constitute a kind concurrent fourth dimension.

7] After dying the patterns of information corresponding to our physical body must fade away. But how about the patterns of information corresponding to our mental activity? Could they continue to persist within the deeper level awareness even after our physical body no longer exists?

8] Is our personal awareness linked to or produced by the deeper awareness?

9] Is this deeper awareness akin to David Bohm’s Quantum “Infinite Potential” model?

© for items 1 to 9 above John Raymond 2015

For greater physics detail also see this link.

A sub quantum analogy relating to a better understanding of cosmic reality

This is all that “IS”

I wrote the link below in early 2022. It has never been posted. At the time I considered that most of my readers would not know what I am talking about. This is for them to link my new use of language to existing science related posts. In this document you will see how I have created an analogy that seeks to bring together the most mysterious aspects of sub quantum physics to more generally accepted quantum physics theory. By this I mean “cosmological reality”.

Note: This post is best understood if it is combined with my post entitled “The words implicit and explicit seem to describe all that “IS”

The essay link